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Offline OwenP

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Re: Starter and horn button
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2020, 11:26:01 PM »
Hi. It might only be a few years and most of the spares will be 3D printed. One day they will print the rubber parts so thing like engine mount bushes,gaskets and so on will be printed. Metallic printing opens up a big opportunity for various spare parts and so on.  All you need is a drawing to work from. There are some 3D scanners that output a printable file. I've even seen some years ago a CT scanner that can produce an engineering drawing of a part including internal threads and hidden oil galaries.
It's part of the tool set that let somebodysetup a plant to manufacture a copy of the BMW X5 ten or more years ago ;)

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Re: Starter and horn button
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2020, 09:58:41 PM »
Owen, what bike is the switch block from? Never seen a hazard light switch on an XS
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It was standard on north American spec Eleven  Specials.  It's actually the one thing on my bike that doesn't work. I should look into that and see why. Never know when i might need hazard lights, although I've not missed having them in the last 40 years  ::)
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Re: Starter and horn button
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2020, 09:38:01 AM »
Again nice work...

Did you know that Old English telephone boxes were made for this sort of task

I thought they were for strange Doctors to jump out of at inopportune moments.

3D printing opens up a heap of opportunities.

Slightly OT, but in industry it has the rather unsexy title 'additive manufacturing'.     Huge interest and there are many programs underway, particularly in the aircraft industry looking at the manufacture of complex parts and repair sections that normally require many hours of machining + a lot of wasted material.
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1964 Gilera 202 Super
1972 Moto Guzzi V7 Sport
1975 Moto Guzzi 850-T3
1976 Moto Guzzi 750-S3
1978 Moto Guzzi 850 LeMans
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Re: Starter and horn button
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2020, 10:15:17 PM »
Owen, what bike is the switch block from? Never seen a hazard light switch on an XS
78 E Stock
78 E Stockish with spoked wheels
80 G spoked wheels and other subtle mods
81 RH problem child. Gone & forgotten
97 TRX 850
94 Yam 350 Big Bear 4 wheeler
?? Yam TTR 125 with milk crate. (RIP the Posty)

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Re: Starter and horn button
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2020, 06:29:19 PM »
I put the switch back together on Saturday morning.  Did you know that Old English telephone boxes were made for this sort of task.

I reassembled the horn button and the task of getting two contacts and a spring into the right place without sending anything between one to three pieces into orbit is tuff.  It’s easier to get the contacts into place and fixed, then insert the string in from the side.  I still believe that Japanese bike were made to assembled quickly, it’s just a matter of finding the right sequence.

The 3D printed horn button fitted beautifully and worked first time.  The button was the resin printed rather than the filament style and looks like an injection moulded part.  I started off with a stainless M3 screw with the head ground down but it didn’t look like the spring was going to work with that, so I went with the 1/8” pop rivet head.  The original contact in the button was contoured to locate the spring and provide  a contact surface for the spring.  The pop rivet seemed to give the closest profile to this.  I could have Dremeled the stainless screw but the pop rivet looked easier.  I did drill the button out to give a clearance hole to the pop rivet but didn’t include any glue, hoping that the spring pressure will keep it in place and  I’m pretty sure that it will.

Interestingly, the printed part had a M3 screw thread printed  into it and the thread was perfect, the screw went in like a charm.

3D printing opens up a heap of opportunities.  The guys web side is wharrie.com and he can be emailed at philip@wharrie.com.   :)

He's a pragmatic mechanical engineer who will advise you if the application will work.  If you can describe the part, I'm pretty confident it can be printed. ;D













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Re: Starter and horn button
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2020, 07:46:40 AM »
Thanks Owen, yeah good idea avoiding the rust prone mild steel
78 E Stock
78 E Stockish with spoked wheels
80 G spoked wheels and other subtle mods
81 RH problem child. Gone & forgotten
97 TRX 850
94 Yam 350 Big Bear 4 wheeler
?? Yam TTR 125 with milk crate. (RIP the Posty)

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Re: Starter and horn button
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2020, 11:11:41 PM »
Nice work.  Brass or stainless is the way to go.
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1983 BMW K100
1983 BMW K100RS
1968 Gilera 150 5v Autostrada
1964 Gilera 202 Super
1972 Moto Guzzi V7 Sport
1975 Moto Guzzi 850-T3
1976 Moto Guzzi 750-S3
1978 Moto Guzzi 850 LeMans
1974 Moto Morini 3 1/2 Sport
1973 Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
1980 Suzuki GSX1100ET

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Re: Starter and horn button
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2020, 09:06:21 PM »
Hi. This is the original button with the metal contact. The new ones have an m3 metric thread printed in so I can use a screw and washer for the contact. I plan to get some brass screws before I try the button. If I grind the head of the steel screws down, the surface well eventual oxidise and make a poor contact
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Re: Starter and horn button
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2020, 04:53:12 PM »
Great stuff, is the one at the front right of photo with metal insert one of yours?
78 E Stock
78 E Stockish with spoked wheels
80 G spoked wheels and other subtle mods
81 RH problem child. Gone & forgotten
97 TRX 850
94 Yam 350 Big Bear 4 wheeler
?? Yam TTR 125 with milk crate. (RIP the Posty)

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Starter and horn button
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2020, 01:30:14 PM »
Hi. A good friend printed off a couple of starter buttons after mine fell went missing.  Two are printed using a3d filament printer and two from a resin printer. The advantage of the resin printer is the almost injection moulded finish.  I'll fit them next week and report.
Owen