Standard Speedo needed to borrow

[XSIIE]

Phil,

Glad to see that it worked (Finally) I'll experiment with the brand new unit and try to get the face off to flick the needle past the stopper (that should be interesting)

Eddy

[Jonesy]

Hey Phil
Check this thread out, it might help you get the speedo apart, scroll down about half way. when uncrimping the seal  be careful and patient.....but once you get in there your on your own as far as fixing the wobbly needle.

http://xs1100.com.au/forum/index.php?topic=1272.msg6991#msg6991

[Exs1.1]

Well I'll be buggard, the problem is in my speedo unit. Today I fitted the replacement speedo unit I borrowed from Eddie and straight away the difference was noticeable. At idle my original speedo needle would vibrate and bounce a little but Eddie's one was solid with no movement at all, it only took a very short distance to realise that my speedo is the issue here and not the gear drive or the cable as the needle on the borrowed unit was smooth as silk. Not sure what the issue is exactly and not even sure it can be fixed, but trying to remove the outer rim without ruining it will be a feat on it's own. Thanks again for all the responses and a huge thankyou to Eddie for the supply of the test unit, will get it back to you asap mate.

[excess.11]

Phil ,
Have you installed a changeover speedo and original drive unit as yet?
Have you changed the speedo cable for the correct length  one?
What was the result?
I hope you getting to the bottom of this frustrating issue.

[Exs1.1]

I have a standard drive and speedo cable that you can have.....

Thanks Bryan, I will have to wait until I mount the speedo that I picked up tonight off Eddie (XS11E) and see if the problem is in the speedo or the gear drive. Will let you know the outcome mate. By the way Eddie, it was nice to meet up and kick the tyres mate. Will have to organize a ride real soon and meet up with a few more local members.

Cheers: Phil

[melbxs]

Here's the discussion about clock placement that confirmed the "below the yokes" theory. This only applies for Standards though as I tried to reposition the clocks on my RH and it wasn't possible.


CLICKY

[AussiXS11G]

I have a standard drive and speedo cable that you can have.....

[Exs1.1]

Hey Errol, yet again you are spot on with your diagnosis mate. It looks like I have a "RH" speedo drive, MMMMM it was no doubt put on by the previous owner for a reason - maybe he was trying to sort the problem out as well. I will see what the outcome is when I put the speedo on that Eddie is lending me, I think maybe a trip to a bicycle shop could be on the cards to get one of those speedometers that will do the trick. Thanks guys for the excellent detailed replies as the amount of knowledge that's given on this site is outstanding,

Cheers: Phil

[Eveready1100]

Hi Phil. You've got a speedo drive unit off an RH / Special if this is what your cable looks like at the lower end -


An Rh one will fit on a Standard, but a Standard's won't fit on an RH due to the angle of the drive's output spigot which fouls on the fork slider

Here's the standard drive -

And here's the RH \ Special unit -

What these pics don't show is the angle the cable spigot is on in the vertical plane. I'll get some pics for a down view to show this when i get my camera back.
It shouldn't make any difference to the speedo's operation, though as I've done the swap in the past using the same speedo with no dramas at all.

[excess.11]

Here s some pics from the XS1100 Assembly Manual.
What was pointed out to me by Brian.......... was that the top of the gauges sit almost flush to the top of the ignition switch and the distance to the headlight shell is noticably closer.
The speedo hub for a standard doesn t have a bolt to secure it.........it seem s you may have a number of issues to align to fix this baby.

[Exs1.1]

Hey Jeff, it's funny you should mention where the gauges are sitting, as I didn't have any issues with the speedo until I repositioned them below the triple tree mount. I know this sounds weird but that's exactly what happened  So I positioned them back to the top of the tree and the bouncing issue was still there, I then referred to the manual I have and found this "CLICK"
If you look at parts 27 - 32 you will see that the bracket (18) sits on top of the triple tree as the bolt (27) feeds through it and then the rubber cushion (28) sits either side of the triple tree. Also when I ordered a new speedo cable the supplier gave me one that had screw mounts at both ends, I explained to him that the speedo hub on my wheel has a 10mm bolt that secures it and not a screw mount. He believed that the hub was for a XS750 and he would send a cable to suit, so when I was changing hubs the other day I was using both styles and neither of them had any effect on the needle. I will put the speedo on that Eddie (XS11E) is lending me and will let you know how it pans out. I do know one thing though --- it's damned annoying that's for sure 

[Exs1.1]

Hi there
My bike is out of action so you could borrow mine. In my experience a jumping speedo has been a dry speedo cable make sure new one is lubed.
Cheers
John

Thanks heaps Hen, i appreciate your offer mate but Eddie (XS11E) has offered a test speedo I can borrow and he is only a short distance from me. I do hope your bike will be back on the road again shortly, thanks again mate.

[excess.11]

Phil , i ve just looked at your previously posted pics and can tell you the gauges are mounted above and not below the bracket as factory assembled. ( Thanks Brian ) I also noticed your speedo cable seems excessively long coming down onto the wheel drive.You may have the wrong /too long speedo cable.If this is the case maybe the ends of the inner cable are slightly different also.
A quick changeover of  the speedo will also help narrow down your problems.
Phil...here is a pic of my speedo cable.........it is the original one put on the bike from new/factory.


You ll notice .....you have a much longer and lower sweep onto the drive unit...... hence a longer cable.....
If you take a look a the UK Museum post of the Cutaway xs1100 Errol posted , you ll see on that bike a similar length cable as mine.
I m fairly sure you have the wrong cable on your bike.
.i also have my gauges top mounted......... for a specific reason though.

[excess.11]

If  it s smooth when you connect a drill to the cable and speedo then most likely your speedo is ok.
Also you have " inadvertenty " tested the fact that the cable locates and drives the speedo without any slippage ( at the speedo end of the cable) in a test setup only.
Take the speedo off the bike and have someone move it up and down while you carry out the drill test........ to simulate being on the road , riding ,to further test internals of speedo.

What you " haven t " tested , is the  the speedo cable and where and whether it locates properly into the speedo ....... and.......... that it s sitting fully in properly when the cable is connected at both ends and that it doesn t alter when you ride down the road.
You  " have"  tested various wheel drive units and found the same inconsistent result .
I would not think it was them.
Check the routing of your cable is not too tight from point to point and doesn t stretch too far with suspension movement of the front end .It should also be supported and pass through  a plastic cable loop fitting attached to your front mudguard. The cable should have a nice smooth rounded entry onto the wheel drive unit.Where the cable passes down from the speedo......whether it is infront of or behind the lower tripple clamp will also have an effect on things.If it is behind it may have crushed the outer casing at some stage.
There are many different length cables on the market make absolutely sure you have the right one for your bike.....not just one a seller says is the right one.
I think you may have the wrong speedo cable .....albeit a new one.

Brian (Melbxs) has been delving into the situation of where the gauges sat when the bike was assembled from the factory.It is a possibility that somewhere over time your gauges have been mounted on the topside of where their bracket attaches to the bike as to the underside from factory assembly.This would result in a " stretched " point to point cable installation.
A basic check would be to see if your gauges sit some 30 to 40 mm higher than the top of the ignition switch or sit relatively close to the top of the ignition switch.
This may result in a tighter curve into the wheel drive and and less freeplay on the cable with the movement of suspension tensioning and or shortening the end  length of the inner cable as you ride down the road.

As you bend and flex a speedo or throttle cable......... the length of inner cable out of the ends changes.

If they sit higher you have to remount them so they sit below what Brian refered to as " the top yoke."
I hope this helps. Good Luck.
If your not sure .....take a pic of your gauges and where they sit in relation to the ignition switch and post it on here and we ll be able to tell you if it is where is should be regarding original factory assembly.

[hen]

Hi there
My bike is out of action so you could borrow mine. In my experience a jumping speedo has been a dry speedo cable make sure new one is lubed.
Cheers
John