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Re: XS650 v XS1100
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2013, 12:43:38 AM »
Don't know if you've seen this thread, Brett - CLICK, but if you look about halfway down my list of past bikes, you'll find this one listed : Yamaha XS650 C Chopper ‘76

Wish I had pics of it still but all my really early photos (and most of my gear) went up in smoke in a fire in '81.
That model was the pick of them in my view, being the ones that really benefitted from having extensive modifications done to the frame to improve handling (aka RH 1100's) and if memory serves me correctly, retailed for $890 in 1976.
Unfortunately (in hindsight), I chose to go the chopper route with mine and fitted it with a 2.5 gallon teardrop tank, flat seat, shortened rear guard, mini gauges, twin rectangular hella headlights, 6 inch over forks, Z bars and had short upswept mufflers that were LOUD, but also sounded very nice.
Then things went a bit silly when I landed a job at the mines and money was no object so I got a fifteen inch rim laced up to the rear hub and fitted it with an RD201 Bridgestone car tyre (it had rounded shoulders) and got the frame widerened to accept a jackshaft through the swingarm pivot area with a new arm fabbed up at a local engineering shop in Mount Isa. It was a real work of art being a staggered "H" shape with eccentric adjusters in the pivots for adjusting the very short jack chain, the swingarm rode on needle rollers on the shaft itself, while it ran on tapered rollers that were tensioned from the non sprocket end of the shaft outside the frame. Neat Chrome guards kept all the moving bits safely hidden away. They did stick out a ways but dedicated forward controls kept my feet out of that area anyway. Upper shock mount extensions were also made up by the same firm to keep everything lined up nicely. It was a very heavy setup, but this was just a cruising (posing) bike after all, and it looked so cool!
Then I really stuffed it up good and proper!
Had a holiday and went to Brisvegas to get the last bit for the bike. I'd always loved the look of Springer front ends and I was going to get one for my bike. I was looking to change the whole look of the bike now, and was after the whole deal, forks, trees and 21" front wheel and was amazed that there was only about $250 difference between a short front end and a long one, so I came back armed with a 16 inch over Springer front end complete with 21 inch wheel with a spool hub (no brakes), but it was sooooooo SHINY!
Naturally, got back to base and fitted it up and the bike stood up like it was doing a wheelstand. So then I got the frame raked to suit by my mate (boilermaker) who did a fine job using chalk marks on the concrete floor to line everything up. Turned out to be straight as a die so I took it home and refitted the lights and gauges then took it for a ride.
Everything was different, in a bad way. At low speed, like starting off from the lights, steering input did little to help maintain balance, as the wheel only flopped from side to side as opposed to turning, on a normal bike, so I had to start off hard to get velocity when some actual steerage could be extracted from the front tyre. Every thing at the front end reacted in slow motion, while the natural forces of gravity and keeping balanced happened in real time, which resulted in me dropping it twice on the first ride, then another time after I'd started to get used to it, the front wheel simply tucked under when I leant it over to round a tight bend in the road. Out on the open road, it was as stable as if it was on rails. It was just the drama trying to get it to the open road.
I hardly rode it at all after I'd finished it. Ended up selling it to a workmate (non rider, but plenty of money) who lived in Sydney who'd seen the bike evolve before his eyes and just loved the look of it and had to have it. Didn't end up too bad financially for me in the end, so it wasn't too expensive a lesson learnt.

I wonder if anyone's seen it around? You couldn't miss it if you saw it.
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Re: XS650 v XS1100
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2012, 09:40:51 PM »
The XS650 has chain drive so you can put wire spoked wheels on it and you can go for a wider back tyre too. Both good options on a cafe or a chop. As Errol stated the similarity of the engine to a Bonneville and high availability of XS650s was probably the main reason for them becoming the choice of chop and cafe afficionados.

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Re: XS650 v XS1100
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2012, 12:03:28 PM »
Thanks Brian I will have a look for that.
Lol Jazz :)

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Re: XS650 v XS1100
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2012, 11:35:02 AM »
i made my cx500 in to a cafe racer  :D
just because when i stood back and looked at it i thought that is the way it should look. also cafe racer are cool 8).


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Re: XS650 v XS1100
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2012, 10:08:15 AM »
Hi Bretts,

The XS Part Number Finder website will tell you what parts are shared between the XS 1100, 850, 750 and 650 bikes.

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Re: XS650 v XS1100
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2012, 06:43:57 PM »
Ok  thanks Errol  :(

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Re: XS650 v XS1100
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2012, 12:56:49 PM »
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I was wondering what parts if any are interchangeable.

Between the 11 and the 650?? On certain models, the front wheel and / or brake rotors. other than that, handlebars & mirrors. That's it as far as I know.

As for the popularity of the 650 for a cafe, they are much lighter than an 11, the parallel twin has that Triumph Bonneville type exhaust note, didn't leak oil like it's target market opposition, and the bike is easily stripped of non essential electrics and stuff to make them heaps lighter. Engines are easy to modify for more go, and cheaper to do as only two cylinders to buy bits for, and the frames, once given a lot of bracing handle acceptably at speed. They are also a pleasing bike on the eye to start with and cleaning them up makes them even more stylish.

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XS650 v XS1100
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2012, 09:23:20 AM »
It seems the XS650 is a popular choice for a cafe racer and I often see after market parts advertised for them. I was wondering what parts if any are interchangeable.
I have heard it said that the XS1100 is the king of the cafe racers but the 650 seems more popular. Can anyone explain why as well?