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Re: New Insurance Policy II - Oil Temperature Guage
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2013, 11:44:29 PM »
Hi
Errol and I where talking about oil temp senders (at the Laverda show) and I showed him mine and he liked it so here it is.



The large sender is oil pressure, small one on top of Brass T is the Temp and the one oppisite the pressure sender is the standard oil light sender. easy to set up with carbys off and oil line removed only problem had to re tap the threads  in the T piece for the  aftermarket senders.

fittted into fairing Volts, Oil temp, Oil pressure.
2 problems oil pressure gauge reads 0 at idle when hot oil light not on 8) ( getting new sender) oil temp reads 40 when cold but when above 40 reads the same as my multimeter which has temp attachment.

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Re: New Insurance Policy II - Oil Temperature Guage
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2012, 10:44:41 PM »
That's a good idea, Jonesey. Red dot gun is on its way. Then I'll have some way of calibrating my results somewhat.
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Re: New Insurance Policy II - Oil Temperature Guage
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2012, 05:39:56 PM »
Good experiment Errol and very relevant for those that have discarded there oil cooler :P
So you reckon approx 10% warmer without a cooler ay.
Be interesting if you could get your hands on one of those little red dot temp guns to compare with the cheapo guage by shooting it at the sump
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Re: New Insurance Policy II - Oil Temperature Guage
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2012, 05:19:14 PM »
Yeah Bryan. When this bit of weather clears, I'll have a crack at getting her cooking, so to speak. The last couple of rides had been reasonably sedate, trying to keep the conditions the same, but I'll give her a bit of a poke next time and see how it reacts. And yes, it will be interesting when summer arrives.

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Re: New Insurance Policy II - Oil Temperature Guage
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2012, 05:08:45 PM »
Geez Errol - you are really going to have to get up the big girl
if we're to get that oil hot enough to cook chips.....
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seriously tho - thats interesting - they get pretty hot in summer tho - looking forward to seeing
the summer figures.
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Re: New Insurance Policy II - Oil Temperature Guage
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2012, 07:39:06 PM »
Been thinking about a lot of stuff recently -

Now that my bike was armed with a temperature monitoring device, I thought I'd carry out a little test. Yesterday, I rode  the bike in to work sitting on an easy 110-120 kph just cruising along. Air temp was around the 12 degree mark when I left home, and the oil temp sat just a tad above 70 degrees once it got warmed up (but before the truck episode).

Today, I rode the bike into work. Air temp was close to yesterdays and I tried to mimmick as close as possible the trip in. OK, air temp was around the 12 degree mark again, but the oil temp sat on a steady 77 degrees for most of the trip. It also seemed to get hotter quicker, too. The difference?

Last night, I made up a cover for the oil cooler which completely blocked all the airflow from it.
I was just curious as to how much heat it actually took from the oil as it flowed through it, so now I have a rough figure as to what a difference it makes having it on there. I am of course referring to those who chose to remove their oil cooler from the bike. Mind you, all my figures are just roughies taken from a cheap gauge in uncontrolled, but "near enough for me" conditions.
I am looking at doing the comparo again when things warm up but i just thought I'd post up my preliminary findings for those who might be interested.
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Re: New Insurance Policy II - Oil Temperature Guage
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2012, 05:34:16 PM »
Jonesey, that lathe only cost about 1/5th of what your pipes cost you , so go get one!

Ok, the test run. gave the bike a couple of minutes to warm up then took the bike into town to fuel up (about 3 klms) and the gauge hadn't moved as yet. Idled through the centre of the metropolis known as Childers and noticed a slight climb from the static position of 50 degrees. "Ok, that works then", I thought to myself, then peeled off to the Biggenden road and the promise of some twisty bits on the way out to the dam. But about 2 klms from my fave bits, the road was wet from a recent shower that had passed through. Bugger. that's killed that then. It took ages to get to 70 degrees which really surprised me as I'd thought that an air cooled bike would attain temperature quicker than that. Actually reached 80 degrees when being punted through the ups 'n downs of the Dam road, but quickly settled back to 75 when I eased off a bit. It wasn't a terribly hot day though and it will be interesting to see how it behaves when the ambient temperature is up a bit more. What did surprise me was on the trip home, I ran through a heavy shower of rain and the temperature dropped 15 or so degrees in about ten seconds, so it does show what happens to a hot air cooled motor when showered in water,
The actual temperature readings may be a bit different to the exact temperature due to the budget guage and sender assembly, but it does give an insight into what's happening between your legs.
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Re: New Insurance Policy II - Oil Temperature Guage
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2012, 11:24:31 AM »
Nice work Errol  8)
Damn I gotta get me one of them lathes.

Just an aside I tend to agree with your reservations about the sump plug version, not just for wiring problems, but as you pointed out it wont protrude out into the oil bath, and probly getting a delayed reaction to the oil o/heating
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Re: New Insurance Policy II - Oil Temperature Guage
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2012, 11:03:41 AM »
That's what this site is all about - SHARING a project.

Top marks Errol ;)
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Re: New Insurance Policy II - Oil Temperature Guage
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2012, 07:17:40 AM »
 8) 8) excellent :-* :-* top marks, love your work :) :)

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New Insurance Policy II - Oil Temperature Guage
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2012, 06:54:25 PM »
Had a fair bit of discussion with Steptoe during the build up and fitment of my low oil warning light and he'd said that an Oil temperature guage would be a handy item to have as well / instead. So, while I was in there messing about with the sumps, I also fitted up a temperature guage sender (which Geoff spotted in those pics BTW) in the sump.
Originally the plan was to simply drill the oil filler plug and stick the sender in it, but I was a bit dubious of the thickness of the material left, and didn't want to end up snapping the oil drain bolt through it being weakened by my modification. Subsequently, I had my old, spare, half rounded bolt laying there so I went through that routine afterwards just to see how well it shaped up.


 ^ Ok, first I went looking around under the bike to find a handy spot away from moving bits of the stands etc and the exhausts.


 ^ Then I got the bits ready for surgery. Note the nut I tapped to match the sender thread.


 ^ I selected this area as it was nice and flat nestled in between two ribs


 ^ Tools of choice


 ^ A common problem with taps is that they're too short to get any swing on them if in a limited space.


 ^ My way around this problem was to fit a 3/8th extension with a 1/4" adapter which fitted the tap.


 ^ This way, I could get a full rotation of the tap.


 ^ After cleaning out all the swarf, the sender got screwed in place


 ^ A healthy dab of loctite to be sure, to be sure


 Then on went the fibre washer and locknut.


 ^ the finished sump.


 ^ And mounted, with the wiring following the ignition pickup loom up towards the battery area.


 ^ Mounted the gauge ($12 Ebay) in its little pod mount ($4.90 Ebay) and did a simple wiring run down to my relays hiding under the tank. Found one of my switched active wires and went from there.


 ^ I simply hard wired the gauge light to the power as I couldn't be bothered getting into the headlight to find a lighting power wire. There's minimal drain from the tiny bulb anyway.

Tomorrow, I'll take it for a run to see how it all works.......................................
I'll keep you posted.




Oh and before I forget, here's how the oil drain bolt went.


 ^ Drilled the centre of the bolt out


 ^ How much of the head end's left


 ^ Then tapped the thread into it.


 ^ A lot more beef left that I anticipated.


 ^ The sender loosely screwed into the bolt to show the size differences.

After going through the process, there is enough thickness of the bolt to fit a sender in it. I do have my reservations, as the sender doesn't protrude right through the bolt which would give very limited surface exposure to get a proper reading. Also, unless you were using the 6 sided spanner as provided by Yamaha in the toolkit, You'd probably have problems getting the drain plug undone with the sender sticking out of the middle of it. And finally, finding somewhere to run the wiring keeping away from the exhausts and such would be a much greater problem than with the rear mount sender. The only + is that it can be fitted without removing the sump.



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