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Re: vintage registration
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2013, 10:55:12 AM »
In my situation, the good bit about having unlimited 'maintenance' rides is that, as I only travel about 5km to work,and only work half a dozen days a month, I can take either of my H registered bikes to work & back.  I don't do it all the time but, it has shown up a few things that need to be done before I take the bikes on a long ride.  Typically minor stuff like blown globes or cables that didn't feel like they needed lubrication last time but, for some unfathomable reason, now do.  I don't think the SA/Vic 45 day log book works that way.

On the up side, in SA/Vic you could have 3 bikes on the road for the cost of one full rego.

If you've got a bike that you don't want to use daily, it's worth the effort in joining a club, irrespective of where you live.

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Re: vintage registration
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2013, 05:00:44 PM »
I know the answer to that one now, its no, got the plates today, $120 all up cost, to join club included. on going costs annually will be $55 apparently I can take it for short runs to charge battery and get fuel, 40km round trip for me without being a recordable trip
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Re: vintage registration
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2013, 06:13:17 PM »
I know its been a while since this thread saw any light, and just read Ray's very detailed post.
I've joined a local club in Lithgow and getting my bike checked next week as part of the process to get H plates
One more question.
Do I still need a green slip? (NSW compulsory third party injury insurance) or are historic rego's exempt?
I hope the answer is no, as this is a fairly major part of the rego costs and may not be worth pursuing the H plates otherwise
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Re: vintage registration
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2012, 10:43:09 PM »
"Is that a surprise?" was a facitious remark towards our administrations, rather than any slur towards anyone here.  And without looking at peoples' profiles, I couldn't tell which state anyone was from.

Our administrations are so stuffed and inward looking they are failing us.  Not just in our road rules.

If laws are designed, by experts, with consideration of the most up to date information and. subject to re-examination before they are put to multi-level debate by our elected representatives.....
how come the laws change at state boundaries? Or national boundaries?

I suspect petty jealousy, one-upmanship, party politics are just the obvious reasons.  Nothing at all to do with good government.
Should I be pleased that our constitution doesn't have a 'of the people, by the people, for the people' phrase that would make me chew with contempt at our administrators?
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Re: vintage registration
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2012, 10:58:25 PM »
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The rules are different state to state.  Is that a surprise?
No not a suprise, it has just been confusing as the the rules have changed but not in every state and those in the state it has changed are recomending this path to others in different states.
Myself to put my political hat on would say that high registration charges are not the way to go.
So I have a family and need a large car to get them around. It cost me about 700 a year to register that. Also some times I don't have to take the whole family so I have a smaller car and that cost me 600 to register each year.
Then some times I have errands to run and can take the motor bike by myself. It cost me say 500 to register each year. (not an XS1100)
If i take the vehicle  that is most suited to the task I can use much less petrol over the year which is better for the environment, road etc. But when  I add the amount of rego cost+ to this I would be better just having the largest car registered and pay the extra fuel cost for everything as the rego+ costs will far outweigh any fuel saving costs of using the vehicle  most suited to the task.
Personally I would rather pay more for fuel and be able to have a selection of vehicles to choose from to save on fuel consumption. (you can only drive one at a time) Better for the environment better for all.

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Re: vintage registration
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2012, 06:53:47 PM »
The ruless are different state to state.  Is that a surprise?

In NSW, the club has to be an acknowledged Historic Vehicle Club.  Incorporations, meetings, public officers, committee, books including a 'day book' etc etc etc.

The idea that a club could be created within a forum is probably ahead of its time ;)

In NSW, you have to be a member of a Club to have a vehicle Historically Registered - it's a form of 'Conditional rego'.

You can have your vehicle inspected normally - ie pink slip.
You can have your vehicle inspected via your Club's authorised officer,

Our club - Griffith CMCC - has authorised officers in Griffith and Wagga.  Over here, we have annual inspection days in late Nov / early Dec.  The club officers do the papers, send it all off and then the owners get a bill to pay to finalise the rego.

If the club officer is agreeable, inspections can be done anytime.  Our club just chooses to try & do as many simultaneously as possible.

In NSW you are allowed to ride, without a recod in the day book, for service & maintenance within 15km of home.  It would be considered an abuse to be using an H rego to commute routinely.
My commute is 5km & I only work about 8 days a month.  I have used that prior to events to make sure everything is running okay.  Sometimes, I will ride the RD on one day and the XS on another, to circulate the oil etc.  I have fully registered bikes that I use normally.

In NSW, riding outside the 15km radius has to be on a scheduled event.  Our club has scheduled day rides on the 1st & 3rd Sunday of each month, in both Griffith & Wagga.  Last month, we did a 450km day ride on one Sunday.  There was no special notation in the day book, as the permanent days are in minutes  of some meeting in the dim, distant past.

In NSW, if I was planning to go, say to the MT rally in Windsor, I get the MT registrar to forward an invite to my Club.  The invite is recorded in the minutes and i can go, no dramas.

In NSW, if I wanted to say, go to the 2013 VJMC rally in S.A. but make it a multi-day tour through the Great Ocean Rd and other parts, I have to send that info off to be minuted and then I can go, no proplems.

In NSW, there is no log book.  You are required to carry your rego papers, with the conditions endorsed, and you Club membership documents.  They must be produced on lawful demand - pulled up by the coppers or have a prang.

If you breach the regulations, you're a cockhead! You're just making problems for the whole system, as soon as some 'anti' person gets a bee in their bonnet they'll go searching for breaches of the regs with the idea of killing it off.


In VIC, they seem to have a system with 90 (?) days indescriminant use, provided you complete a log book - presumably in advance?  The true beauty of that is you can have 4 red plate bikes for less than one normally registered bike.  4 x 90 days = 5 less than a full year.  Don't quote me on that, I'm from NSW.

In Vic - 25 years for 'red' plate
in NSW - 30 years for 'H' rego.  And the month of build is irrelevant.  ie, it only looks at the year.


In NSW, there are issues regarding the interpretation of 'historic'.  You probably couldn't get someone to sign off on you custom modified XS11 with R1 forks, wheels, suspension, brakes, swingarm, instruments, led indicators, tail & brake lights etc.  Probably not within the spirit or inyention of the regs.
One of our club inspection officers doesn't even want to pass period style cafe racers, choppers etc.  Thankfully, he's only one.

Hope that helps.

It sounds like a lot of chasing around, but it's not, really.  Club's are pretty much set up to just follow the bouncing ball.  Join a classic club, it's bloody easy.


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Re: vintage registration
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2012, 02:05:06 PM »
Just got of the phone to the RTA and it seems this is not in NSW. Looked at other posts on here and it seems it iis in Vic and SA  :(
Wonder if I can get a Vic rego  :P

6.4 Interstate vehicles (operating under a similar scheme in their home state/territory) my be
driven in NSW if they legally comply with the rules and regulations of their permit/registration.
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Re: vintage registration
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2012, 01:41:27 PM »
Just reading the RTA rules in a link given by VJMC

http://vjmc.org.au/j25/images/membership/Conditional%20rego%20forms%20procedures%20and%20brochures.pdf
3. VEHICLE ROADWORTHINESS
3.1 A vehicle operating under the scheme must be declared roadworthy by;
* a Safety Inspection Report (pink slip) issued by an Authorised Inspection Station
examiner; or
3.2 If the club is over 2 years old, the authorising member must hold relevant mechanical
knowledge
* a club Declaration of Roadworthiness issued by a member of the club.
So it seems you do not have to use a club roadworthy officer. Your local inspector seems ok..
Hmm hang on that is pink slip we need a Blue slip (new rego) and reading further it seems this is not the updated rules.

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Re: vintage registration
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2012, 01:28:55 PM »
Hi Jonesy
As I am looking at getting Dusty rego I also recently considerd this. I understand with this rego you can ride upto 90 days for the year.
$65 gets you 45 days and then you pay another $65 for the next 45 days but then no more allowed. As I won't be riding my bike every day that sounds great for now at least. I wonderd how the log book worked and Fred explained it well.
When you find the nearest clubs' registered roadworthy inspectors let me know, it could be a long ride. I think we are allowed to ride the bike to the nearest rego station so if it is a distance could be fun to do the ride together  ;D

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Re: vintage registration
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2012, 06:58:00 AM »
Thanks Fred
I like the idea of filling out your own ride information before you set off, no BS procedures to go through.
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Re: vintage registration
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2012, 03:47:27 PM »
Well mate, you don't need permission or go for a recognized club ride anymore. You simply get a log book from the rego branch when you register the bike and fill it in to where you are going on that day, who is the rider and then sign it.

If you get pulled over and havn't filled in the log book you'll lose your club plates and rego and go back to full price again.

To get a roadworthy certificate get onto the website of the relevant club that you intend to join (I'm with the VJMC), and it will have the contact details of their clubs' registered roadworthy inspectors within your state. Simply ring them up to book it in (usually a home address after hours) and don't forget to ask how much he wants to do it so you can bring the right money. My last one was in Bendigo and the bloke wanted $30. and he had all the paperwork there to do it.
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Re: vintage registration
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2012, 08:12:28 AM »
you blokes already on historic rego. is it much of a hassle to "get permission" to take your bike for a ride,
I started reading the "Act" on the VJMC Australia site and it sounds very strict...is it And to get a roadworth certificate from theclub, how do you organise that when no where near a "club house"
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Re: vintage registration
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2012, 10:39:03 PM »
Yeah, sorry about that. It's $45 to join for the first year, then $40 after that
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Re: vintage registration
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2012, 11:49:21 AM »
Hey Guys,

even better news is that VJMC Membership is actually only $40 annually.

I'm a member and renewed only a few weeks ago.
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Re: vintage registration
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2012, 09:12:40 AM »
Keep us posted Eddy might be a way of getting 581 on the road ....legally :-X
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