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Title: Blue spot brackets
Post by: XSIIE on October 09, 2012, 07:19:53 PM: Hi folks,

Just got back from Adelaide where I caught up with Kim (AKA Snake) . He gave me a set of brackets which allow you to bolt on the Bluespot front calipers. For anyone interested in doing this mod I am currently investigating getting these fabricated. I' ve done a dummy fit and they are great. I will also look at getting the spacers for the disc made up.

eddy
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Post by: Aussiexs11 on October 10, 2012, 10:02:52 AM: Yes, I like the sound of this mod, please keep me posted on the costs. Always handy to have the brackets prefabbed.
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Post by: TheRev on February 10, 2013, 09:19:37 AM: I would be very interested. Perhaps a scale drawing would be good, that way we can make our own. Thanks
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: BrettS on February 10, 2013, 11:59:12 AM: Got an email from Mal Pittman just a couple days ago. He is just about to get the first set from the lazer cutters. Will fit that before ordering multiple numbers ready to distribute.
Can't wait :) New speedo new brakes and new shocks :P
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Post by: melbxs on February 10, 2013, 10:37:40 PM: keep me informed of availability. Have a nice set of calipers waiting to go on.
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Post by: TheRev on February 20, 2013, 02:36:04 PM: Does anyone know what the spacer size needs to be? And we will need one on each side, correct?

And on another note. Does anybody have problems with the damn verification letter box?. I am color blind and those things a virtually impossible to figure out
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: XSIIE on February 20, 2013, 06:28:11 PM: Hey Rev,

The recommendation I had from 'Snake" in SA (he provided me with the pair of mounting brackets to copy in NSW) was to have a couple of the spacers at 1mm and couple at 2mm thickness. When you do the set up and measurements the clearance will dictate the spacer thickness. You then put the appropriate thickness spacer in.

Hope this helps

Eddy
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: BrettS on March 09, 2013, 09:25:53 PM: Got an Email from Mal
Hello Brett,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the brake plates, but the cutting people have been very busy, and these plates were too thick to be laser cut, so water jet cutting was the final solution.

I have now received the first set of brake mount parts.

Brian Cooper is allowing me to do a dummy fit to his bike to make sure all fits okay.

Hopefully this will happen on Tuesday or Wednesday next week, and then I will get production going.

I will be able to advise a price per set then.

Cutting delay is now about one week from my order, so hopefully a week and a couple of days should see them arrive.

Regards,
Mal.

Getting closer :D
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: BrettS on April 27, 2013, 08:07:30 PM: Mal had some delay's in getting these out as the first prototype needed some modification. He has been nice enough to offer me a set hot off the press and say's that more will bew about another week away.
Here is a bit of added info From Mal for your enjoyment while waiting for a set of this complete bolt on kit.

Hello Brett,

I wanted to give you a bit of info on the brake plates so that you can understand how they have been made.

1. There are two round shim spacers, 3mm thick that you fit behind each front disc to give sufficient clearance for the calliper ( inside ) and the spokes of the wheel. The disc mount bolts are long enough to cope with this shim.

2. The brake plates are supplied with two bolts, washers and lock nuts. The washers go under the bolt head on the outside of the plate, and the nut on the inside of the fork leg.

3. The brake plates have different depth recesses on each side, and this is to suit standard wheels and forks as they come from the factory. I checked fitting of these plates on Christian’s bike as well as Brian Cooper’s, and they both had similar side clearances. The machined surfaces ( inside )go to the calliper mount points.

4. It is important before fitting the callipers, to loosen the L/H clamp bolts, as well as mudguard and fork brace ( if fitted ) and bounce the forks up and down to make sure the L/H fork is in it’s neutral position on the axle. If it is then you can tighten the under clamp bolts, followed by mudguard bolts and fork brace and then fit the callipers

5. When you have fitted the plates with your blue spot callipers, check to see what clearance you have between each side of the disc and the inner calliper housing. The aim is to have same clearance on each side of the disc, checked with a feeler gauge.

6. The reason for being critical about disc side clearance, is that there is only about 1mm clearance on each side of the disc to the calliper housing. The disc thickness on the original R1 using these callipers was around 5mm, while the XS1100 is 7mm, so fitting is tight.

7. Also the original master cylinder size on the R1 was 16mm. The standard XS1100 master cylinder is 11/16” ( 17.46mm ), so this means when using the standard XS1100 master cylinder, the lever is hard with not much brake feel. Paul Farnan ( who has also placed an order for these brake plates ) has ordered replacement 16mm master cylinders from Mike’s XS in the USA, so this should improve braking efficiency and give a much better feel.

Regards,

Mal.
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: melbxs on April 27, 2013, 09:46:28 PM: Are these the same for the RH as they are the standards. I doubt it eh?
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: pgnz on April 28, 2013, 08:11:20 AM: Quote from: bretts on April 27, 2013, 08:07:30 PM

... also the original master cylinder size on the R1 was 16mm

Matching size cylinder for the bluespots is 14mm
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: BrettS on April 29, 2013, 05:02:52 PM: My set turned up today. The quality and finish looks Great.
(https://xs1100.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg687.imageshack.us%2Fimg687%2F6122%2Fbike001t.jpg&hash=74315e4f44d4de0a2d0a3597b053c5f7d1a79a31)

I have no idea about wether they fit the Special Melbs. I thought Mal mentioned something about that in an email but not sure?
I might have a go at fitting mine tomorrow.
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: Jonesy on April 29, 2013, 06:32:39 PM: don't open a can of worms this close to blast off
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: XSNT999 on April 29, 2013, 06:35:42 PM: I have to agree with Jonesy, I'm waiting till after Bourke to do my upgrade.

Cheers
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Post by: BrettS on April 29, 2013, 07:05:09 PM: :P
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Post by: BrettS on April 29, 2013, 07:06:00 PM: Oh and did you get ya message Jonesy ?
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: Eveready1100 on April 30, 2013, 09:17:54 AM: Hi Brett, as PGNZ indicated, the master cylinder should be swapped over to match the calipers, if you still have the original 11/16th size one fitted. Not doing so could result in high lever pressure to actuate the brakes, so just have a check on that before diving in.

And Brian, no. This setup will not fit your RH. They've got much different caliper mounting bolt spacing so different adapters will be needed.
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: BrettS on April 30, 2013, 09:57:38 AM: Hi Errol, I got a M/C with my calipers. Need to check a few things but I believe I have all I need for the swap. I will have a play with it soon but first I need to take the imprint of another kangaroo out of the front of the little buzz box. The family car is heading back to the panel shop for re-re-repairs so we will need something else to drive while that happens.
Also need to make up a pack rack for the XS so maybe I won't get the time for the brake swap but we will see ;)
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: XSNT999 on April 30, 2013, 10:13:46 AM: Hey Brett

If you have room in your kit, take all the bits with you and do the changeover as a class project at Bourke, I'm sure there will be plenty of advice available. If for some reason it doesn't work, swap back and ride home in standard setup and work on the problem at your leisure.

Cheers
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: XSIIE on April 30, 2013, 10:24:37 AM: Hey Brett's,

If you're interested I have a gear sack rack surplus to requirements. I will be going through Bathurst on Thursday encounters to Orange.

Eddy
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: BrettS on April 30, 2013, 03:49:03 PM: I sent you a PM Eddy :)

Organisation is not my strong point Paul but that is possible. Think I would need the pack rack from Parkes to carry the gear so will have to be one or the other :-\
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: SCARFEY on May 26, 2013, 09:15:55 PM: When you talk about "Blue Spot Calipers" What model bike are they off.

My FJR has blue spots surely they don't mount the same as an R1 or an R6
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: Christian Raith on May 27, 2013, 09:39:59 AM: yep
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: Christian Raith on May 27, 2013, 09:41:29 AM: I am going to go searching for some more at the right price.
Will keep all posted
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: SCARFEY on May 31, 2013, 09:53:31 AM: I bought a complete brake set off an 03 R1 for $175. Whats the chance of getting some brackets.
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: BrettS on June 01, 2013, 11:43:38 PM: Pretty good ;D Mal has a couple of sets left at least.
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: Christian Raith on June 11, 2013, 08:43:28 AM: I was playing with the new brackets on the weekend and discovered how close the tolerances are.
Seems that the axle had a VERY slight bend in it (discovered after much head scratching) and the right caliper was rubbing.
I though it may have been the right hand wheel spacer so got another one pulled all apart again and replaced that and it was ok.
SO I thought it was a spacer problem, just to double check put the old one back and this time it was ok.
Quick call to Mal, he suggested checking the axle and bingo another axle in and all was fine.

So check that the axle does not have a bend by making the left clamp just tight enough for the end to slide in and then slide the axle through and see if you can turn it freely if not it is bent (Mal can fix this )

I also found that the right spacer is a bit critical (that is also going to Mal for a check)

BUT all in all the brackets worked out well, if you have no problem issues it is a quick straight swap and stop.

I will try and put a video (very poorly done with one hand)
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: steptoe on June 12, 2013, 06:21:10 PM: do the video,, get some one to hold the camera for you,,,,

you never know where your life could lead :o :P
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: Christian Raith on June 12, 2013, 07:59:43 PM: some one???? where would I find one of them??
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: steptoe on June 12, 2013, 08:13:30 PM: do you have a nice nieghbour :-X
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Post by: Christian Raith on June 12, 2013, 08:15:01 PM: :( :( :( no :( :( :(

I will see if I can find someone but not much to see just me struggling with a front axle
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: Christian Raith on June 16, 2013, 08:31:00 PM: OK here are 4 video's to point out what needs to be checked when replacing the old calipers with the blue spots.
No big deal but because of the close tolerances of the blue spots to the original disc it must be checked.

http://youtu.be/h6oHTLr8KTQ

http://youtu.be/T7_ALt42BgQ

http://youtu.be/ed9qF-PZkMI

http://youtu.be/u_65cpywyfE
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: steptoe on June 18, 2013, 07:48:45 PM: bloody excellent videos,, really shows what an ever so slightly bent axle can do 8) 8)
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: Christian Raith on June 18, 2013, 10:17:49 PM: Camera fell over a few times before I got it right ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: SCARFEY on July 14, 2013, 06:23:49 PM: All done. Tolerances are close some adjustment with additional shims was required.

No expense was spared for the brake bleeding equipment.
(https://xs1100.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1199.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa464%2FScarfey62%2Fimage002_zpsff6703a6.jpg&hash=fa75a8bdd3ea77d58ced5786b3610a14ddb822fd) (http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Scarfey62/media/image002_zpsff6703a6.jpg.html)

(https://xs1100.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1199.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa464%2FScarfey62%2Fimage001_zpsd8eb597d.jpg&hash=8b7cf7729940cfb6670ae44d2a4036bfbbbfb5c8) (http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Scarfey62/media/image001_zpsd8eb597d.jpg.html)
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Post by: BrettS on July 15, 2013, 01:38:52 PM: Looks Great! How does it feel?
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: Jonesy on July 15, 2013, 04:11:17 PM: Just for the dunder heads that weren't listening the first time (ah that'd be me) which model or range do theses blue spots come from and is there a contact for Mal P and his brackets or did you get some made Eddy? or Christian?
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: SCARFEY on July 15, 2013, 04:51:09 PM: Question One

* Don't know how they feel the bike is out of rego, [so was the FJR so it got preference]
* the wife wanted to be taken to the club and;
* it was too bloody cold by the time I finished
* A further report to come.......................

Question Two
These ones are off a 2003 R1, I bought the brackets and the spacers behind the discs off Mal Pitman, It seems the Blue Spots are all the same. [am I right Xtian]
Mal provided 4mm spacers but I had to add a further 2mm for the caliper to clear the wheel.
I made up a jig to turn up the spacers on my old lathe (One would normally punch something like that but only had the lathe)
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: Jonesy on July 15, 2013, 06:06:55 PM: Thanks SCARFEY
can any body add other models these come off so I can search sellers with confidence.

Quote SCARFEY

"only had the lathe".......

you poor bastard, I feel sorry for you SCARFEY
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: SCARFEY on July 15, 2013, 07:47:10 PM: Jonesy.....Lathe cost me $300 bucks out of a building being closed up....bit of a bargain...bloody handy though.
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: XSIIE on July 15, 2013, 08:09:50 PM: JHonesy,

here are a few

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Yamaha-R6-R1-XJR-Fazer-blue-spot-front-brake-calipers-98-99-00-01-02-03-04-/350823200751?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item51aeb137ef

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/02-03-Yamaha-YZFR1-YZF-R1-Front-Brake-Calipers-OEM-/190867996726?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c709e8036

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/03-Yamaha-R1-Front-Brake-Calipars-Calipers-/181144915082?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a2d140c8a

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/98-99-Yamaha-YZF-R1-Front-Brake-Calipers-/380658353914?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item58a10186fa

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/98-01-YAMAHA-R1-FRONT-CALIPERS-LEFT-AND-RIGHT-OEM-PART-FORKS-SUSPENSION-/121081079591?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c30fea727

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1999-02-Yamaha-YZF-R6-99-00-01-R6-Right-Left-Front-Brake-Calipers-2-/290942596676?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43bd87b644

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/03-04-06-07-08-YAMAHA-YZF-R6-YZFR6-R6S-OEM-FRONT-BRAKE-CALIPERS-MASTER-CYLINER-/321135390146?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac5292dc2

There's heaps on ebay. The cheapest including shipping are from the U S of A coming in at around $120. If you were to buy them here, Metropolitan have hundreds of sets but they start at around $150 and go north.

If there was enough interest we could probably do a bulk order at a "special "price.

If anyone is keen then I would look into it.

Cheers

Eddy.

78E standard brakes (pull up eventually)
81 RH Harrison billet 4 pots (the best)
81 RH standard brakes (the worst)
81H R1 Bluespots (2nd best)
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: Eveready1100 on July 15, 2013, 08:44:42 PM: Jonesey, if this helps at all - Clickety (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/metal-lathe-beco-915-x-150-mm-centre-lathe-model-engineering-live-steam-3-phase-/130945632608?pt=AU_HeavyMachinery&hash=item1e7cf7c960&_uhb=1)

(https://xs1100.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi950.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fad349%2FEveready1100%2FMisc%2520Pics%2FScreenHunter_416Jul152036_zps8312ac45.jpg&hash=eee347454da25d2930c6fdcca81e98e7382382f7) (http://s950.photobucket.com/user/Eveready1100/media/Misc%20Pics/ScreenHunter_416Jul152036_zps8312ac45.jpg.html)

That'll sort you out, mate
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: SCARFEY on July 16, 2013, 02:41:36 PM: When I bought mine the bloke advertised the calipers [on Ebay] but when I contacted him he was also able to provide the complete system so now I have a matching master cylinder.

I was able to reuse my original after market Hel brake lines.

EDIT: Errol my lad, that lathe is far too clean how can you operate if all the the tools aren't lost in the swarth and stuff built up all over it.
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: Jonesy on July 16, 2013, 03:42:46 PM: Ay SCARFEY I spose next you gunna drill some holes but all you've got is a milling machine.

Ev your just showing off now

EDDY, thanks for those links, your comment on the bottom about Sydney prices made me jump in and buy the ones in the link at the bottom of your list, the included master cylinder was the hook
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: Eveready1100 on July 16, 2013, 07:08:42 PM: Jonesey, I wasn't trying to show off. That's a link to a lathe that's currently for sale on the bay sort of local to you.

George, this is what mine looks like at the moment. Had to bore out some spacers today for my spray rig's trailer wheels but I had to use the milling head to hold the tapered drill bit. It's hiding the tools and bits in an acceptable fashion???

(https://xs1100.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi950.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fad349%2FEveready1100%2FMisc%2520Pics%2FScreenHunter_416Jul161902_zps488ff4fe.jpg&hash=f9818c74e2aeea3d5414e8d382478cfe596d3707) (http://s950.photobucket.com/user/Eveready1100/media/Misc%20Pics/ScreenHunter_416Jul161902_zps488ff4fe.jpg.html)

I still haven't a clue how to use it properly (just ordered a How-to-operate-your-lathe CD to enlighten me a bit into the capabilities of this little number) but it's been damn handy to have all the same.
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: SCARFEY on July 16, 2013, 09:41:29 PM: Jonesy I was gunna buy a mill but it wouldn't fit in the Ferarri .................hee hee. :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: BrettS on August 04, 2013, 01:18:43 PM: Half way through fitting the Blue spots. Mine fit great with no rubbing and the disc looks very central to the calliper (can't find my feeler gauges, maybe they were in the bag too :-[ )
But I have nothing but a bee's dick clearance from wheel to calliper. I know it was meant to be close but I am actually VERY impressed with the bike that something can be this close and not rub at some point around the wheel.
I think I will need another 2mm spacer ?
It is this close all the way around and this is a picture of each calliper both exactly the same, bloody amazing I reckon but surely I need a little gap for murphy?
(https://xs1100.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg9.imageshack.us%2Fimg9%2F6854%2F6evd.jpg&hash=cb3685a788750aa635d60521009c959854ac05df)
(https://xs1100.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg580.imageshack.us%2Fimg580%2F443%2Fqby2.jpg&hash=e6082bc98401e4524427b6f4ee2beb8f1e44a989)
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Post by: nozila on August 04, 2013, 05:18:03 PM: hows the response and feedback from these front brakes whilst riding?
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: AussiXS11G on August 04, 2013, 06:58:58 PM: noz.....the big plus with this mod is the "feel" afforded bjy these units.....mor e stopping power with less effort....
I was able to lock the front wheel with the OEM units tho....
It is time and money well spent I reckon
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: hen on August 10, 2013, 08:06:21 AM: Quote from: bretts on August 04, 2013, 01:18:43 PM
Half way through fitting the Blue spots. Mine fit great with no rubbing and the disc looks very central to the calliper (can't find my feeler gauges, maybe they were in the bag too :-[ )
But I have nothing but a bee's dick clearance from wheel to calliper. I know it was meant to be close but I am actually VERY impressed with the bike that something can be this close and not rub at some point around the wheel.
I think I will need another 2mm spacer ?
It is this close all the way around and this is a picture of each calliper both exactly the same, bloody amazing I reckon but surely I need a little gap for murphy?
(https://xs1100.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg9.imageshack.us%2Fimg9%2F6854%2F6evd.jpg&hash=cb3685a788750aa635d60521009c959854ac05df)
(https://xs1100.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg580.imageshack.us%2Fimg580%2F443%2Fqby2.jpg&hash=e6082bc98401e4524427b6f4ee2beb8f1e44a989)

Yeah what Bretts said do they sit that close, looks like tempting fate :o
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: Jonesy :-) on August 11, 2013, 08:03:13 AM: this conversion definitely has close tolerances,
same as scarfey I had to do some additional shimming.
The right calliper when first mounted up was hitting the spokes on the wheel, so to get around this I placed a washer between the fork lug and the bracket, the calliper to wheel clearance was now Ok but this introduced a new problem.
As mentioned above in Mal's email to Brett, The XS disc is 7mm thick and the part of the calliper that straddles the disc is only 8mm wide. So the calliper was now rubbing the disc, so I placed those XS tab washers that you use on the disc mounting bolts under the disc with Mal's 3mm spacers, and the disc is now fairly central in the calliper.
The left calliper went on Ok with no rubbing, but feeler gauge measured only 0.3mm between calliper and wheel. So as Brett would say for Murphy's sake I did the same shimming as the other side, 0.3mm is just a little too close for comfort.
Just for the record my blue spots came from a 2003 R6.
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: BrettS on November 04, 2013, 09:07:58 PM: For those that didn't catch the other thread. We found that some bikes have a wider rim than others and this became the obvious reason some found less or no clearance.
Mal decided he would increase the spacer thickness so the disk was further again from the wheel and then milled out the adapter plate to match.
I received the replacement plates and spacers the other day and fit them this afternoon. Everything seems hunky dory. I now have 2.3 mm clearance from the calliper to the wheel.
I suggest anyone that has the plates from Mal and found the clearance problem should contact Mal who I believe is looking to swap yours for the modified set. Much better than washers and such. Oh one little problem I found was that the existing calliper bolts from the bike (which I used to bolt the blue spots on) now run out of thread (plate has been milled so not as thick) A couple of washers solved this for now but I will look for suitable bolts.
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: 4130coffs on July 07, 2014, 11:34:21 AM: Is there any chance these brackets/shims are still available BrettS?
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: XSIIE on July 07, 2014, 04:00:16 PM: Mal Pitman supplied the brackets and spacers.

To alleviate the problem of minimal clearance he now can provide 5mm spacers instead of 2mm spacers.

I believe he still makes them??????????

These give double bees dick clearance and work fine.

Eddy
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: 4130coffs on July 07, 2014, 09:04:59 PM: Quote from: XSIIE on July 07, 2014, 04:00:16 PM
These give double bees dick clearance and work fine.

;D haha, double bees dick! Yes i've sent Mal a PM so will await a reply :)
Title: Re: Blue spot brackets
Post by: Miti on July 09, 2014, 06:49:20 PM: Hi Folks...

I've not been on here often enough to have kept up with this, apologies for not putting in my 2p (UK) worth .

I've been running a Sport (5K7) with blue-spot calipers since 2007:

(https://xs1100.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.empressmcc.org.uk%2Fmitiweb%2Fimages%2FSport_1-5%2FPICT0352.JPG&hash=5265a64d2a69d3a273f9720f9eade6ad26fdc0dd)

As you can see, the brackets required are quite different from those for the "Standard" models

That said, the 3mm spacers required are just the same...

Points to note: I used braided steel brake hoses and an FJ1200A master cyl. The result is a HARD lever, but invcredible brakes...

Down side? The pads wear very quickly - around 5K miles and they're down to the line...

And... Using the original 5K7 slotted rotors, I found that they started to "warp" very slightly (felt as a slight pulsing at the lever), so I fitted disks from a 2H9 model - sorted.

The bike is in bits at the moment, so I could get the brackets and scan them or draw around them with some dimensions noted... I'm sure someone would be intersted in making some up - They would suit 5K7, 5N5, 4R0, 4W1 and 10M (XJ) models... I doubt there will ever be a mod to retrofit these calipers to the 3H3 (SF) style forks with their "swinging" calipers, as the fork leg forms half the pad retaining mech...

I've also bought in a pair of EBC fully floating disks to fit and they will 100% suit these fixed calipers, not cheap, but worth it, I'm sure... ;D

Miti