XS1100 AUSTRALIA
XS1100 Topics => Workshop => Topic started by: AussiXS11G on July 11, 2012, 05:03:43 PM
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That rear tyre I went to Bourke and back on finished today.....I have a BT45 on for now.
But look at the splines.....dry as a bone.....I an certain I fitted the wheel usind a good amount of
that LCC black grease lithium i think ....for use in high load areas like cv joints etc
the pics tell the story....I had disturbed the grime prior to taking these
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the good news is that is is all greased up and hot to trot now.... ;D
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The spline profile still looks ok too. As far as can tell from the pics
how long ago do you reckon it was since you last packed it with grease
Maybe the " LCC black lithium grease" you think you used isnt up to the job. Probly need a grease with an EP additive.
All in all a good find
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That doesn't look real good, mate. That wheel hasn't been on there that long, really, and for the grease to break down completely like that, I'd say that it's not suited to the task.
Like there's no movement in that spline, it just slips over the male drive spline and just sits there and transmits the power to the wheel. Are all your bearings ok? I ask cos of the red hue in the area, as if something is moving around, or is that just plain, non metallic dust?
I'd try a change of lube to something like plain old wheel bearing grease and see how that goes.
Sorry Jonesey, you posted while I was typing.
Bryan, what Jonesey said!
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I always want to use marine wheel bearing grease......
might try it I reckon
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It's got to better than what's in those pics, mate
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I spose we put it down to the awsome power of the XS1100.... ;D
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Ok. I'll go with that!
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What the???
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I did some home work on this. The Moly EP Grease you buy at the shops is actually fairly low in the active ingredient, Molybdenum Dislphide
I bought some Honda spline grease for the job that's 60 Moly Tweren't cheap though.
BMW recommends a white moly grease. I believe you can buy it in a spray can.
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Shaft.html
BTW it's very important to thouroughly clean all the old metal filings out. It's them that eat away your splines. Just greasing them is not eneough. Toothbrush and kero will do the trick.
Scarfey
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I use an EP2 grease, the one ATM is made by BP, in a grease cartridge so I can keep it sealed
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this is the goo that I used.....
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Scarfey...thx for the link - good reading
I might try to chase up some Krytox...
B
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Castrol LMM grease - 3% Moly.......NOT ENOUGH! :-[
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It's a good thing you found that before it had done any damage in there, Bryan
I guess that's another item to put in the semi regular maintenance agenda from now on.
;D Bloody shaft drives. Didn't realise they'd be so maintenance intensive. ;) ;) ;)
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Maybe check the Nulon range of stuff.
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Ev came thru on his way to work the other night, and we chat about things on here as we do,, and have come up with a basic idea to keep them oiled,, watch this space,, :-X :-\ {have to see if it works first}
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Errol linked me here yesterday when I was putting mine together and didn't look until today :-X
This is the area I was unsure what grease to use. The Manual defiantly states Moly Grease for the shaft that goes to the final gear (diff) but the manual only states Grease in the steps of replacing a wheel which is this area.
For this area I have used Premium High Temp Red Wheel Bearing Grease.
I am pretty confident I have made the right choice here. When talking with the grease oil guru yesterday I asked Why we would use Moly grease on our motorbike shafts when it is used for slow moving parts, I would think the shaft would be moving pretty fast. The Guru suggested that the shaft is not moving as fast as I think due to gearing.
The moly grease he suggested also stated some bearing use at the sugar mill so I questioned if I should use the moly on the bearings as well. He stated NO the bearings this was used for at the sugar mill are massive slow moving bearings and the graphite Molly can actually accumulate and damage the ordinary bearings.
He agreed that the good quality wheel bearing grease was what I should be using there.
Now if you look at the final gear/diff although it is spline looking area, whatever you use here will also be the same grease as what is at the bearings. I will take my wheel off again and check how it goes in the near future but I would lay a few dollars down wheel bearing grease is what should be here.
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Brett, just found an alternative grease that should do the splines well.
It's called MOLYBOND 50 -
Description
Molybond GA50 is an assembly compound containing 50% molybdenum disulphide powder in a lithium based grease
used as an anti-seize and anti-scuffing compound for metal parts which may reach temperatures up to 400°C. GA50
has excellent anti-seize capabilities compared to other nickel and copper based anti-seize compounds and is
extremely effective in preventing fretting corrosion in closely fitted parts assembled using freezing or heating
techniques. GA50 can be used for mechanisms which may not be lubricated during service life.
Areas of application
• Splines
• Heavily loaded slides or plain bearings
Features
• Extremely high load carrying capacity
• Excellent anti-seize properties, suitable for use
up to 400°C
• Meets Defence Standard 80-81/1, designation
ZX38
Directions for use
This product is usually applied by brush or dipping.
• Door hinges
• Roller door gear drives
• Wide temperature range -10°C to +150°C
• Meets DEF 2304 specification
• Does not contain copper, nickel, aluminium or
graphite
Technical data
Appearance.................................................. Black Paste
Consistency..................................................Paste
Thickener.....................................................Lithium
Lubricating Solids.........................................50% Molybdenum Disulphide
MoS2 Purity.................................................. DEF 2304
Temperature Range.................................... - 10°C to 150°C
Is available at Blackswoods. A bit exxy, but I'm going to get a tube Monday.
Oh, and the Guru probably would've been relating to the fore and aft movement of the splines, not the rotational speed. The splines will only move a couple of mm with rear suspension movement. Have a llok in the splined cup on the end of the diff. You'll see a polished area where the splines contact. Shouldn't be too much longer than the length of the splines of the driveshaft itself.
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Ga 50 is the ducks guts Ive used it on BMs drive shafts its pricey but you dont need to plaster it on either just enough to cover with a nice film.The important thing is ti clean up the splines thoroughly with a small pick with a toothbrush wire cleaner a nd a spray of carbie cleaner to get all the crap off when its nice and dry and spotless then do the necessary should be done everytime tyre is changed thats my advice others may say otherwise Coops
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But what do ya's use on the bearings area?
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I use extreme pressure 2 grease,, or Timcon wheel bearing grease
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Hey Brett
for wheel bearings just a GP bearing grease
I've got some red stuff, I think its Mobil SHC 220.........its also what I used on the splines in reply on your "wheels off now what" thread.
you don't want to go mixing clay based greases with other types as they tend to react with each other. Which might be what happened to Bryan's wheel splines at the start of this.
What cooper said about a thorough clean before hand is good practise.
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Just a heads up on the Molybond GA50. Pcked up a 500g tin from Blackwoods and the nice man gave it to me at trade price(for Bundy Sugar). Only cost me $80 instead of the RRP of $102!!!!
But it should last me a lifetime and then some.
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Thanks all. WTF Errol?
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Don't wanna steal ya thunder Errol but i found half a 4 ltr tin of mollybond in the dump earlier this year, cost me nothin and i got paid to find it!!!